Direct link to sai aasrita's post Which one of these revolu, Posted 2 months ago. Who is always right? And you just kinda go back to talking about SEC football, but. These people arent advocating. So thats a sort of a general principal. We don't, but we asked our focus groups about it anyway. In June, the Third Estate met alone and declared itself the National Assembly. Again, it was like a little bit heartbreaking because again, it was a It was a perception thing, although I hear Democrats do this with Pete Buttigieg where theyre like, I would vote for a gay guy. What classes took power in South America, and how was this different from the class that took power in Saint Domingue? Theres no such thing sort of historically as well. I dont get the sense from hearing that that theyre gonna actively oppose Marjorie Taylor. More coming from the right, where there really is this sort of cultural competition on the right to who is going to be most aggressively anti. And then close-up the window so that its all hidden. During this time period, there were several revolutions that occurred throughout the developing world. Which countries fought on the side of the colonies during the American Revolution? It was a bloody battle between the Mexican people and people who were loyal to Spain. And then, of course, youre gonna be automatically mistrustful of it. INSTEAD OF A BLUE STATE. I could not pick one person or institution individual that I would trust. Americans fought the war on land with essentially two types of organization: the Continental (national) Army and the state militias. Just on point by point by point. Now, why is that bad news? And look, people are responsible for their own choices about the news that they consume. Theres just no question about that. It demolished traditional power structures and transformed how the country was organized and ruled. Well, we just heard some of the the ways in which this happens. Copyright 2023 IPL.org All rights reserved. And so, like, talk about how critical leadership is because I thats in your book. But, like, you know, when we talk to Dans and we ask them about the Supreme Court, for example Mhmm. its not an insignificant part of the party. The Declaration of Independence was basically announcing them as not the thirteen colonies but as the first thirteen states of the U.S. They were also similar because they both had social inequalities which was basically if you were in a different social class you were treated differently. it. The American and French revolutions are similar in some ways but different in others. mean, when did Chris Ruffo become a traitor to the cause? Show your support with Bulwark merchandise. Right? And, like, ten seconds later, like, and its those stupid Democrats that wont, you know, get on board with whatever. Number two, theres a minimization of whats negative about Trump or the Trumpist movement. Im Sarah Longwell, Publisher of The Bulwark. People of all classes, especially the middle and lower classes, began to use these ideas to formulate an ideology of resistance. So let me just hit you with a smattering of what we hear. They both seem to have common results but the results are definitely different when it comes to how it affected their countries. They just think one might be coming based on what theyre seeing around them. I was like, this is such a good group for David French to watch. And so, you know, I think just to set the stage for this conversation, can you just give us like the thesis of the book? And if the hypermagoworld keeps losing, then there can be a hope for a reassessment. New York Times opinion columnist David French (literally) wrote the book on a possible national divorce. Although the Civil War and American Revolution shared many similarities, the Civil War differed in the fact that it was more of a confrontation of two opposing, In the first place, both the American and French Revolution had their causes that would change history. I used to respect you. A cause of the American revolution was taxation without representation. France was defeated, humiliated, and in even more debt than the British. Lets get to the root causes of why people are feeling detached from one another. Everyone I talked to says this. By contrast, the British army was a reliable steady force of professionals. And then number three, theres the question of identity. One of the ships has been badly damaged, with all of its sails torn down. Like religious faith and practices not evenly distributed across the United States of America. This is this is right. Which one of these revolutions was the greatest in relevance to the listing of mankind rights? And so I just felt like I was watching a rerun of all kinds conversations Ive had from everything around dinners and restaurants locally to conversations with old friends. My father-in-law who just passed all the epic times. Or do you Beg to Differ? And David, Im sure you caught this. However, at the same time, and I actually wanna write about this, I think a lot of the folks who are saying, well, look, I mean, weve got blue cities and red states and got red areas and blue states. Jos de San Martnanother liberal revolutionaryled a revolt against the Spanish in southern Latin America. So every time somebody says this, Im like, This is deeply stupid. At that time the remedy for this problem was drafting the poor, uneducated and less fortunate members of society. Colorful drawings of soldiers In different colored uniforms holding heads on pikes. Is that a collapse in the faith of institutions? There was unionist sentiment in the south. Mhmm. They have their own agenda, but the media in this country, thats who thats almost who elects the president. But if fifty five percent had voted to leave, Scotland might be independent as messy as that would be. Oh, man. Painting of several men holding another man down, who has been covered in tar and white feathers. There was a mixture of communities throughout the American colonies, there was loyalist communities, and there were revolutionary communities, and they were often in the same city, they were often in the same colony, in secession, there were parts of the south that didnt want to secede. But the republic was short-lived. Saying how wrong now. Still others joined the army to escape fines or imprisonment. the fox scandal they may have. And the leadership is this key element to how you bring out the better angels of our nature. But I gotta tell you, when I was watching this group, I was reminded of something one of the things I get yelled at the most for online is whenever I say I really like a lot of the people that I listen to in the group. Both the Creoles and the church were alarmed by the social radicalism of the revolt and worried that it would end like the French and Haitian revolutions. like, thats too far. But I guarantee you one thing. While the precise beginnings of the American Revolution remain highly debated, there are many reasons behind the revolution. So I like to draw a distinction between earned distrust and manufactured distrust. And this is happening not just in the sense of you and your neighbor being pushed apart. American colonies were placed with new taxes, and still werent allowed to elect representatives to Parliament; creating cries of No taxation without representation! With all the new taxes Britain kept creating, the Americans rebelled against them resulting in the Boston Tea Party and Boston Massacre sparking the flame of the revolution. The French Revolution was not successful in forming a democratic government due to France's history of a monarchy, economic issues and divison among its' people. Both of the revolutions were liberating, but the French revolution was more violent and bloodier than the American. French peasants had to pay the heaviest taxes; leaving them to starve. It sets the course of the cultural river and you see it in military units. Kelly was right. Oh, man. Several. Direct link to David Alexander's post How about World History f. Youve seen the GIF of Homer Simpson with his eyes wide kind of backing into the shrubbery. So number one, Al Yuval Levin has said this very well that theres a George Wallace constituency in American politics. Right? And that goes both ways. We know that the media feeds it. And so we saw this in the Trump era in abundance. Compare And Contrast The American Revolution And French Revolution. Since you wrote the book. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. Every child learns of the American Revolution at least once in their lives. The American Revolution A revolution, in definition, is the overthrow of one government with replacement of another. Churches controlled more affairs of the state. And so whats happening is you see this really strong falloff of support for Ukraine, mainly on the right. The goal of the American Revolution was to get away from the British government and be free. Theyre not going to talk about their own lives and theyre gonna continue to say the mainstream media lies, the mainstream media lies, the mainstream media lies. The similarity between them is that the citizens in both countries, both faced the block of common economical development of the government. Okay. We will all continue the work of trying to better understand our fellow citizens, but doing these focus groups, listening to podcasts, grappling in a real way with what theyre telling us. Yeah. They continue to trust Fox. Theyre not taking all of what. The other thing I think you and I both talk about a lot and agree on is the nature of of leadership. They come to us, like, belatedly, and its because, like, Liz Shady. So was he living up to his ideals? they think they should take, and thats a compromise to them. was such a textbook example of countless conversations Ive had since late twenty fifteen, which is one of the responses people have to some of the most outrageous rhetoric on the right whether it comes from Trump or it comes from Marjorie Taylor Green or Matt Gates, or you name it, is they laugh. The French Revolution was fought by lower and middle class, and peasants. The American Revolution, sparked by conflict over British rule and influenced by Enlightenment ideas, broke colonial ties with a monarchy and yielded a new nation. So one of the things you talk about that I also talk about. Because these are the people who sort of know better, but theres no leader or anybody else who is appealing to the good nature thats inside of them that you hear coming out and is pulling on those best instincts to say we have to resist this. Several men in uniform clap as another is presented with an award. The American revolution and the French Revolution are two major incidents happened in the 1700s, which had intense social impacts on both French and American societies. And so therefore, what about them kind of justifies that, well, the left has people like this in their coalition, so we get to have people like this in our coalition. But we talked about leadership. The response was that cant be right. My guest today is David French, newly minted New York Times opinion columnist and author of divided We Fall Americas secession threat and how to restore our nation. Theyre telling you that theyre trying to find answers. Like, is that really what its about? We know a lot about that. Which is the correct description of a revolution and one of its outcomes? That there was a very troubling part about why Nikki Haley could not be the president, and it was super like well, no world leader would take a woman seriously. This is ridiculous. They fought for their independence and release. Make a prediction: How important were the Atlantic Revolutions in creating the modern world. sooner rather than later, its getting very difficult to talk. Its not a one-sided problem. The nobility and clergy blocked King Louis XVI's attempts to raise taxes. So theyre like, this is stupid. And in fact, one of the things that sort of saved us from that group its not all been in one party. I wouldnt be surprised if it took another civil war, to be honest. When the king called the Estates General, the Third Estate suddenly had a voice. And Im with these awesome people who dropped everything when they heard the tornado had happened, descend upon Mayfield, Kentucky. Im the toughest right winger in the room kind of thing. You can throw put any ballots you want it to a box and then watch who count them. No. Because the word exhausted. Several horses and men are down. I see it. If youre working in a McDonalds for a manager, if youre working in an in assurance company for the manager, you name it. Good standing. And you know, Id imagine youd get a little pushback on this idea that that theres not something endemic in the Republican Party. No. East Tennessee had a lot of unionist sentiment. After Christopher Columbus founded the New World, in 1492, many European nations began to form expeditions to the New World in search for gold. To actively oppose it. Malcolm F. Purinton is a part-time lecturer of world history and the history of modern Europe at Northeastern University and Emmanuel College in Boston. For much of the eighteenth century, European empires fought each other all over the globe. Like, the red states, blue states then they all have blue cities inside of red states, and we are all intermingled and also based on thanksgivings as best I can tell for gross people, you know, share these different political opinions and people that they love. The main difference between the American and French Revoultion was that one successfully converted to a democratic government and one did not. The French was in Europe fighting for freedom against its own government. The American, French, and Haitian Revolution all had the similar causes of a tyrannical government. The french wanted reform and sovereignty from the french monarchy, they wanted a new leader and a new ruler. So on both counts. I dont have the solution yet. And I just heard this for years with Trump. To conduct investigation. With tension building between the two powers, the revolution was a battle that formed what America is today. For the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of Republicans. Absolutely. His idea was the separation of powers so its balanced, as in what we still use. Alyssa Goldstein Sepinwall is Professor of History at California State University - San Marcos and a specialist in French and Haitian history.In addition to The Abb Grgoire and the French Revolution, her books include Haitian History: New Perspectives (Routledge, 2012) and Slave Revolt on Screen: The Haitian Revolution in Film and Video Games (University Press of Mississippi, 2021). Americans established power in legislative, executive, and judicial branches of government. Ive never seen it like this. The Civil War was more than an unsatisfied party rebelling against a larger power, but a clash between two vastly different ways of life. But now that it did happen, mean, theres definitely people out there that are, like, okay, its not a fortress. People have asked me a million times, why did so many evangelicals vote for the Trump? And then now, what what do you think? Yeah. But that, like, the logistics are too hard. And that is wrong. Understandably, the other European monarchs were pretty shocked. And were having a great conversation and then she turns to me and she says, you know, they sent this tornado to punish the red states. When did the most disturbing pieces of data I have seen in the last really since Trump came down the escalator, which is I mean, Sarah, think about it. Because troops were few and conscription unknown, the British government, following a traditional policy, purchased about 30,000 troops from various German princes. What did the American Declaration of Independence and the French Declaration of the Rights of Man have in common? Most men are on horseback, fighting with swords. Or if youre a typical Democrat, you believe that the average Republican is a lot more extreme than they are. An MTG isnt the only high profile figure to raise the prospect of secession, national divorce and civil war over the past few years. French The majority of the people did not want the revolution (American, French, or Both?) Look what happened with the riot in January, like, before that, nobody would have ever imagined that. Between 1775 and 1825, revolutions across the Americas and Europe changed the maps and governments of the Atlantic world. One of the things I fear about the right is the cultural course of the river that is being said. Although you may possibly get away with it. And then as soon as the topic veers into politics, then all of a sudden its like watching one of these old sitcoms where the cars driving and you see the transmission coming out in the road and the wheels are coming off, then youre thinking, wait. We are not united. Then youll go to the daily wire. However, there were also differences as far as political, economic and social causes were concerned. Oh, no. This is the kind of group where you see the most change. that is exactly how this group was. And in Latin Americawell that wasn't so clear at the start. Shortly after that, in the 1700s there was the French Revolution. Both revolutions were connected to each other because of the link between France and Haiti, known then as St Domingue. Although Great Britain, Spain, and France settled in the Americas, their colonies developed in almost completely different ways, like: The Spaniards colonized mainly in South and Central America for economic purposes, like to grow sugar, which lead its colonies to be mainly plantations; The Frenchs main goals in the Americas were to trade fur with the Native Americans and to find a route to the Pacific Ocean to trade with Asia; and the Britishers came here for two main purposes, one for economic matters and to avoid the religious conflict that was happening in England. Keyboard warriors are also not the kind of people who are going to stop something once it starts unfolding. Its their input. So what does he say in federalist ten? In general, the American Revolution was more successful than the French revolution. People who supported the French Revolution burned and looted homes and churches and they killed and beheaded thousands of people. A cause of the French Revolution was Louis XIV's pursuit of absolute authority. To log in and use all the features of Khan Academy, please enable JavaScript in your browser. The purpose was to scare people to support the revolution or they would die. The French Revolution began with the storming of the Bastille on July 14, 1789, to rescue imprisoned revolutionary leaders. Because its like state run media, like what they have in China. These countries shared the same idea of freedom and independence, the difference is they used different methods of accomplishing this goal. The French, Haitian, and American Revolutions were all sparked from the minds of the colonists, slaves, or lower classes who were treated with inequality by their own governments. You were just talking about it, about this latest thing with Fox News and what makes me so mad about that Fox News thing is and you hit this. In 1810, peasants in Mexico revolted because they wanted their own land and because food prices were too high. As a reminder, this should be a quick process! Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. John Locke an American enlightenment thinker thought people had natural rights and that government should have limited power. No matter their credentials. Yeah. Everybody wants to break off here. British attempts to assert greater control over colonial affairs after a long period . The nation of Haiti formally declared its independence on January 1, 1804. Large billows of smoke blow into the sky. The American Revolution was a war between the American Patriots in the thirteen British colonies and Great Britain. However, there is a difference that makes the American revolution succeeded while the French revolution doesn't. They both had a time when both sides oppressed the French and British government. You know, I dont know. The government and leadership in France was corrupt as they were in much debt. Both countries have many differences and similarities, ranging from the individuals fighting these wars to tactics and strategies they used to win. Across right wing media. They were swimming along with the course quite merrily. Now, theres no real condemnation to it. But, like, we get out, man. The National Assembly ended the privileges of the nobles and ended feudalism in France. I mean, if youre talking about in the millions, yes, but as a percentage of Americans, low. And it was that power of the cultural river. happened. Both revolutions followed the anatomy of a revolution and had comparable causes, however the French Revolution politically better outcomes, whereas the Latin American Revolution resulted in poverty and lost territory. Is the role that leadership can play. They dont give you anything back. It began with a revolt of enslaved people in 1791 after the National Assembly abolished slavery. And Ive said this to a million different people. Their eyes are wide. So thanks to all of you for joining us for another episode of the Focus Group. The government and leadership in France was corrupt as they were in much debt. He didnt threaten him. Though the Third Estate represented many more people and had twice the number of delegates, each estate had an equal vote. And then shes just like, And these socialists that are ruining the country, theyd all be thrown in the gulag. And Im talking to one of the most lovely people whos, you know, upped your eyeballs and debris trying to dig peoples possessions out of this catastrophe. The French colony was the richest plantation colony in the world, with around 8,000 plantations that produced 40 percent of the world's sugar and about half of its coffee.